, including $716 billion in draconian cuts to providers, nursing homes, hospitals and doctors under medicare, including $2 trillion in new spending, including dozens of higher taxes, and his argument was mr. president, this is a big government scheme that doesn't work for trying to take over one-seventh of the gdp. i think for conservatives that was a rallying cry. >> would you say it was a game changer or is that going too far for you? >> well, i think it's too early to say that. look, i worked on the bush campaign in 2004. when we went into the first debate at the university of miami and i guess it was late september, kerry had a very strong performance. we came out of that debate, anderson, lost about five points in the gallup, more in some of our own polling, but in the end, george w. bush still won. and this election's going to be decided in the end based on how those last undecided persuadable voters fall and based on who does a better job of getting their vote to the polls and that's what will decide the outcome. >> cornell, i mean, i heard what you said before, but i got to i guess,